Anonymous asked: “Face it, pro-choicers don’t want women to be completely informed about their body and about the life of the unborn.” Lmfao, is this your justification for forcing women to look at ultrasounds before they have abortions? Look, we know whats in there, thats why we’re getting abortions, we don’t need to see it to know theres a fetus there.
Why did abortion numbers drop to nearly 1/2 of the regular abortions once the sonogram was introduced in the clinics?
I’ve never held a woman down and pulled open her eyes and forced her to look at the ultrasound images. You are against good medicine, accurate medicine, informed medicine… WAKE UP! [HA!]
Sure you know what the unborn baby [sic] looks like, but no woman knows what THEIR unborn baby [sic] looks like until its on the screen. The life is theirs, the life is apart of them, the life is dependent on them, the life is personal to them… And they get up and leave!
Be pro-choice then for the women who see the fetus [78.9% are embryos!] and get up and leave. BE FOR THEIR DECISION! [We are, you’re the ones doing all the forcing!]
But, you’re laughing…
Aw, this is cute.
And, look! I’ve written about this before!:
This is ridiculous. We’re not trying to make it illegal for pregnant people to view an ultrasound, we just happen to know the difference between an option and a mandate. You’re not giving people the option to view additional information, you’re making it mandatory, despite the fact that they might not want to see it.
Further, research has shown that pregnant people when given the option (not the mandate) to look at an ultrasound image choose to do so. And rather than deter them from their decision, it’s comes as a relief because it looks nothing like the antichoice fetus gore pr0n you shoved in their faces on their way into the clinic. Virtually no one changes their minds after viewing an ultrasound image freely. Further, many pregnant people choose to view the products of conception after the procedure, and few regret that choice either or consider it traumatic. Do you know why? Because by the time a pregnant person has made the call to the clinic, gotten an appointment, traveled to the clinic, filled out paperwork, and sat in a waiting room for 30 minutes, they tend to have their minds made up. Given the antichoice climate of the United States right now, many people capable of getting pregnant already know what they will do beforethey’re even pregnant.
[Ellen] Wiebe has done some of the few studies worldwide that attempt to look at women’s reactions to viewing an ultrasound pre-abortion. The research can’t speak directly to laws like the proposed Texas bill, Wiebe told LiveScience, because in that study “nobody was ever forced to do something they didn’t want to do.” But it is the closest thing to research anyone has ever done on state sonogram policies.
The study, published in 2009 in the European Journal of Contraception and Reproductive Health Care, found that, when given the option, 72 percent of women chose to view the sonogram image. Of those, 86 percent said it was a positive experience. None changed their mind about the abortion.
In another study, this one published in 2009 in the journal Contraception, Wiebe analyzed how many women chose to look at the embryonic or fetal tissue removed during an abortion. Only about 28 percent of women were interested – “they’re curious,” Wiebe said – but of those, 83 percent said that viewing the embryo or fetus did not make the process more emotionally difficult. (source)
What people like you don’t seem to understand is that there’s a huge difference between freely viewing an ultrasound and being forced to by the government. It’s condescending and paternalistic to act like pregnant people don’t know what an abortion does or that they have an embryo inside of them that could develop into a fetus that if born will be a human baby. Please. Further, what about all the people that would decline the option of viewing the ultrasound for a multitude of personal reasons? Why must you try to traumatize people you don’t even know? What could have been helpful and comforting if done freely could quickly become traumatic if mandated by self-righteous misogynists.
[TW mention of violence]
Also, viewing an ultrasound is hardly necessary information to give informed consent to an abortion. Doctors go over the procedure and all risks or complications that could arise. They tell the pregnant person what will happen, what it might feel like, and what to expect. Seriously, I didn’t need to see pictures of oral surgery to consent to get my wisdom teeth removed. My father didn’t need to see it either to consent to getting a metal plate put in his chin after a bunch of lowlifes bashed his face in with a baseball bat. My mother didn’t need to see pictures of a tubal ligation to consent to it after my brother was born. My brother didn’t need to hear or see graphic details about what the doctors were going to do to him when he had titanium rods put into both legs after breaking his femurs. Nor did he need to see his doctor perform a spinal surgery to consent to having his vertebrate fused after fracturing them in a motocross accident. As much as you don’t want to admit it, an abortion is a simple out-patient medical procedure. You talk the talk of compassion and concern, but it only thinly veils your contempt for women and your need to control them.
Basically, get over yourself.
Further reading [this is what I meant by citations!]:
So much respect for prolongedeyecontact.
